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Date: Sun, 15 May 94 11:02:30 PDT From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #529 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Sun, 15 May 94 Volume 94 : Issue 529 Today's Topics: Amateur Radio Newsline #874 13 May 94 Any recumbent bike/hams?? Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 14 May personal autopatch calls SACRED FREQUENCIES WARNING: Potential Satellite Anomaly Warning Ended Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 09:34:46 MDT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Amateur Radio Newsline #874 13 May 94 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu X-Reply To: d.cary@genie.geis.com Message-ID: <6CZrjGG8yXtH063yn@dorsai.dorsai.org> Lines: 367 The electronic publication of the Amateur Radio Newsline is distributed with the permission of Bill Pasternak, WA6ITF, President and Editor of Newsline. The text version is edited from the original scripts and transcribed from the audio reports by Dale Cary, WD0AKO, and is first published in The Radio & Electronics Round Table on the Genie Online System. If you have any comment, suggestion, or news item you would like to submit, send them via E-Mail to 3241437@mcimail.com or B.PASTERNAK@genie.geis.com. You can contact Newsline at +1 805-296-7180. It is a combination answering and FAX machine, if you have a FAX to send, wait for the voice prompt and press your fax-send button. All other information and disclaimers are in the text header below. - - - - - NEWSLINE RADIO - CBBS EDITION #124 - POSTED 05/14/94 (***************************************************************) (* *) (* * * ***** * * **** * ***** * * ***** *) (* ** * * * * * * * ** * * *) (* * * * *** * ** * *** * * * * * *** *) (* * ** * * ** * * * * * ** * *) (* * * ***** * * **** ***** ***** * * ***** *) (* *) (* **** * **** ***** *** *) (* * * * * * * * * * *) (* **** ***** * * * * * *) (* * * * * * * * * * *) (* * * * * **** ***** *** *) (* *) (***************************************************************) The following is late news about Amateur Radio for Radio Amateurs as prepared from NEWSLINE RADIO scripts by the staff of the AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINE, INC. -- formerly the WESTLINK RADIO NETWORK. For current information updates, please call Audio Version of Newsline ========================= Los Angeles............................ (213) 462-0008 Los Angeles (Instant Update Line)...... (805) 296-2407 Seattle................................ (206) 368-3969 Seattle................................ (206) 281-8455 Tacoma................................. (206) 927-7373 Louisville............................. (502) 894-8559 Dayton................................. (513) 275-9991 Chicago................................ (708) 289-0423 New York City.......................... (718) 353-2801 Melbourne, FL.......................... (407) 259-4479 Electronic Hardcopy Version of Newsline ======================================= GEnie.................................. m345;1 GEnie.................................. m345;3 Dallas Remote Imaging BBS (DRIG)....... (214) 492-7573 In bulletin number 36 The Midwest Connection BBS............. (701) 239-2440 In bulletin number 6 of the ham radio conference Delphi................................. In the ham radio conference For the latest breaking info call the Instant Update Line listed above. To provide information please call (805) 296-7180. This line answers automatically and will accept up to 30 minutes of material. Check with your local amateur radio club to see if NEWSLINE can be heard weekly on the air in your area. Articles may be reproduced if printed in their entirety and credit is given to AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINE as being the source. For further information about the AMATEUR RADIO NEWSLINE, please write to us with an SASE at P.O. Box 463, Pasadena, CA 91102. Thank You NEWSLINE (**************************************************************** Some of the hams of NEWSLINE RADIO... WA6ITF WB6MQV WB6FDF K6DUE W6RCL N6AHU N6AWE N6TCQ K6PGX N6PNY KU8R N8DTN W9JUV KC9RP K9XI KB5KCH KC5UD KC0HF G8AUU WD0AKO DJ0QN and many others in the United States and around the globe!!! (**************************************************************** [874] (* * * * C L O S E D C I R C U I T A D V I S O R Y * * * * (* * (* The following is a closed circuit advisory and is NOT for * (* air over AMATEUR RADIO. Repeat, not for broadcast. This is * (* just a reminder that the address for the Newsline Support * (* Fund is Newsline, in care of Dr. Norm Chalfin, K6PGX, Post * (* Office Box 463, Pasadena, CA 91102. Again, and as always, we * (* thank you. That ends the closed circuit with Newsline * (* report number 874 for release on Friday, May 13 1994 to * (* follow. * (* * (* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The following is a QST The FCC decides not to retest hams in the alleged California VE scandal, a court transcript may preclude an appeal by two hams barred from a repeater and lots more about Dayton '94 on Newsline report number 874 coming your way right now! CAL RETESTS RESCINDED The FCC has done an about face on forty-two of fifty-nine Southern California hams it ordered to be retested three weeks ago. Late word is that the commission has told the ARRL VEC that it has decided to process the license applications from three examination sessions that have been under scrutiny for the past several months. No explanation was given for the change of heart by the FCC, but it is believed that a number of those told to retest had instead threatened the government with violation of civil rights litigation. It is also believed that United States Senator Barbara Boxer had been approached by at least two applicants who asked that she intercede with the FCC on their behalf. A call to Boxer's office for confirmation or denial not yet been returned by the Senators staff. While a number of hams trying to upgrade may be off the hook, the same is not true for the three dozen or so California Volunteer Examiners ordered suspended last year by the FCC. The commission still does not want them testing. None of them have been reinstated by their respective VEC's and the government indicates that the probe of their activities is still ongoing. (***** CLARA The restraining orders issued several weeks ago against two Southern California hams may not be appealable on grounds of federal preemption. This is because several key words that the dealing with federal preemption over state and local law do not appear in the official hearing transcript. Attorney Sidney Radus, N6OMS represented the Claremont Amateur Radio Club who were the plaintiffs in the recent court actions. "I do have a copy of the transcript of the judges ruling in the action of Krist, Lowinger, Radus, Adhall vs Tony Cardenas Drew B. Feldman. And nowhere in his discussion does he ever mention Part 97.113 as a basis for jurisdiction in the state court. The jurisdiction in the state court comes from a number sources. It does not rely on 97.113." Sidney Radus, N6OMS. As far as we can figure out, the request by Cardenas and Feldman to change the venue of the hearing into the federal court based on federal preemption was a pre-trial motion. As such it may not have recorded in the actual transcript of the case. Meanwhile, Cardenas has been heard on a local Los Angeles repeater discussing a possible appeal based on an early 1970's case involving a ham accused of bothering a regional net. In that matter, the ham was reportedly successful in getting the action against him dismissed by citing federal preemption. He then filed a suit against his accusers and was awarded an undisclosed sum. Unfortunately, that legal action took place several years before the Newsline organization was founded. Because of this we have little information on it. Nor do we know if any binding precedents were set in that case. (***** NAL's ISSUED IN FLORIDA The FCC has issued Notices of Apparent Liability to Monetary Forfeiture to three Florida Citizen's Band operators. This for alleged violations of the Part 95 service rules that include the possible use illegal power amplifiers. The NAL's issued were for $1000, $1500, and $4000. All of the CBers involved have indicated their intention to appeal. (***** MISCELLANEOUS VIOLATIONS The FCC has also released a list of eight individuals cited for assorted violations including operating radio stations without proper authorization and operating on unauthorized frequencies. The fines here range from $250 to $6400. No other details were given in the FCC release. (***** WASHINGTON GETS LAW ON TOWERS AND ANTENNAS Washington State has new legislation to protect amateurs. Washington's governor has signed Senate Bill 5697 into law. The new statute limits the ability of municipalities to enact antenna and tower regulations by pointing out the federal pre-emptions of the FCC's PRB One. ARRL Washington State Government Liaison Frank Price, KD7AC says he credits Dr. Ralph Shumaker, WX7T, and members of the Mike and Key Club of Seattle with promoting this legislation. (***** DAYTON HAMVENTION FOLLOW-UP The official numbers are in. Even with the torrential rains that hit Ohio the last weekend in April, attendance at the 1994 Dayton Hamvention still broke the 33000 mark. The numbers prove that not even mother nature can keep true hams away from this world famous event. Nether rain nor wind nor cold deters amateurs from going to Dayton. Monitoring Times Magazine Publisher Bob Grove, WA4PYQ rates this years Hamvention excitement level almost off the scale. "From a stand point of enthusiasm it's incredible." Bob Grove, WA4PYQ. Heavy rains drive thousands of flea market fans inside Hara Arena Saturday, typically Hamventions heaviest day. With no shortage of people there's plenty of socializing. Every where you turn you hear plenty of sales pitches for the latest and greatest. Hams spend money at Dayton despite the dollars weak standing against the yen. "I think all the Japanese manufacturers are making a lot less right now, but the bottom line is they want to sell the product, so I think the manufacturers are going to make a little less profit in the short term." Yaesu USA's Kevin Karamanos, WD6DIH. At several forums it's standing room only. Among the most popular, the SAREX 10th Anniversary celebration moderated by Newslines own Roy Neal, K6DUE. And a special announcement at the Youth Forum. Young hams are about to get a special treat. The chance to make a extremely rare DX contact. Los Angeles resident Jim Neiger, N6TJ travels to Ascension Island May 20th. Jim has been an avid DXer since he was 15 years old. He plans to be on the air in the Novice bands to give young hams the chance to score both voice and cw contacts. "I will be arriving there, I said on the 20th. I should be on the air the night of May 20. I'm going to concentrate on working young amateurs on Sunday, May 22nd conditions warrant it. I hope to be on 10 meters 28.400 Mhz SSB from 1700 to 1800 zulu on May 22nd. Then at 1800 zulu I will QSY to 15 meter cw 21.125 Mhz." Jim Neiger, N6TJ. Jim wants to young hams to share in the thrill of rare DX. "I've been a ham since I was 15, 40 years in the hobby. I've been chasing DX since I was 15. It's time to try and give something back a little bit. I've been very negligent in spending time on the Novice bands and things, so I'm going to try and take an opportunity to spend more time doing that." Jim Neiger, N6TJ This years attendance 33,616. That's about 600 down from the year before. Transportation to Hara Arena, a major concern this year draws good reviews. "I believe the transportation from the designated parking areas has worked out extremely well. In reality I think it has worked better because we have a better flow of the buses. It's is not the long arduous trip, if you will, that we used to have from hotel to hotel. Now it's quicker." Jack Mitchell, AA8Q is a former Hamvention General Chairman. Back outside it's not just water falling from above. A single engine airplane, it's callsign hidden from view buzzes the arena less than 200 feet up. Suddenly the flea market is showered with flyers carrying dollar bills. A ham from Ashland, Kentucky grabs 9 dollars worth. "I had about nine of them and I gave two, three or four of them away I guess. Everybody just started grabbing them I said here and I just started picking them." Weather and crowds aside, Hamvention '94 was a weekend of information, activity, and fun. "Hamvention '94 of coarse is a phenomenon that's hard to describe. Seeing tens of thousand of amateurs all in one place at one time. It's something that's just not duplicated anything in the world. It's a pilgrimage we all must take. We take it, were not really sure why we are here, but we just know we will come back next year." Monitoring Times Publisher Bob Grove. There is general agreement Hamvention '94 was a good one. But if you want to play it safe next year, be ready for any kind of weather. In Dayton anything is possible! If you're a young ham and would like to have a shot at scoring that rare DX contact with Ascension Island, here again is information on frequencies and times. First, from the United States, turn your beam slightly south of east. Be listening for N6TJ Sunday, May 22nd. He'll be right in the middle of the Novice band at 28.400 KHz on sideband. He plans to be on the air between 1700 and 1800 hours Zulu. At 1800 Zulu, he'll switch frequencies to 21.125 KHz to work CW. If your code speed isn't all that fast, don't worry, Jim says he'll match your speed, get your call, and get your rare DX contact logged. (***** W6KG MEMORIAL FUND ESTABLISHED The ARRL says that it is the beneficiary of a life insurance policy left by famed DXer Lloyd Colvin, W6KG and it wants to use the proceeds to continue his work. As a result, the proceeds, more than 150,000, dollars, will now fund an endowment, the income from which will be used to further the strengthening of international friendship through DXing. Lloyd Colvin W6KG died last December while on another of his Yasmee (pronounced Yaz mee) DX operations. ARRL Executive Vice President David Sumner, K1ZZ says that during his lifetime Lloyd and his wife Iris, W6QL made many great personal contributions to international friendship through Amateur Radio. Announcement of the Colvin Fund was made at the International DX Convention in Visalia, California, on April 16th. Details of the administration of the endowment have not yet been worked out. (***** USE THE RIGHT FORM The ARRL is also asking anyone submitting cards to please check the DXCC application form you plan to use to insure it is the correct one. The current form is identified as MSD-505/194. It must be used for all new and endorsement applications since older forms lack spaces for critical information needed for processing your DXCC request. (***** UNITED KINGDOM NEWSLINE The United Kingdom now has a Newsline like service of its own. Citing a need to service its news hungry hams, the Radio Society of Great Britain has added a telephone hotline to augment its on-the-air Amateur Radio news bulletins. The RSGB over-the-air service is similar to ARRL's W1AW in that it is available on voice and packet. It differs from W1AW in that its read only once a week on a regional basis while ARRL issues bulletins daily. Newsline has sent a letter to the Radio Society of Great Britain offering them audio cassette copies of Newsline to add to their new GB2RS dial in telephone service. If the Society accepts our offer, Newsline will become the first United States based ham radio news bulletin service with a telephone outlet serving the UK and Europe. (***** And for this week, that's all from the Amateur Radio Newsline. You can write to us at Post Office Box 463 in Pasadena, CA 91102. (* * * Newsline Copyright 1994 all rights are reserved. * * * -- < ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> < "Big Steve" Coletti > < Shortwave Listener, Broadcaster, Computer Consultant > < and all around nice guy > < Internet: bigsteve@dorsai.dorsai.org ==== S.COLETTI2@genie.geis.com > < UUCP: steve.cole@islenet.com ==== steveny@lopez.marquette.mi.us > < Fidonet: 1:278/307 US Mail: P.O. Box 396, New York, NY 10002 > < Voice: +1 212 995-2637 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 15:46:06 GMT From: wri!pea@uunet.uu.net Subject: Any recumbent bike/hams?? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Are there any recumbent bike riders/hams out there?? Any Infinity/ham riders?? I'm getting a new Infinity and want to put an antenna for my ht on it. Any suggestions?? Thanks! 73 de Bruce, N9WKE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 22:53:11 MDT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 14 May To: info-hams@ucsd.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY 14 MAY, 1994 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data) SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 14 MAY, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------- !!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 134, 05/14/94 10.7 FLUX=090.2 90-AVG=087 SSN=067 BKI=2443 2323 BAI=015 BGND-XRAY=A8.3 FLU1=2.9E+06 FLU10=1.3E+04 PKI=2553 3333 PAI=022 BOU-DEV=019,042,058,021,019,021,019,035 DEV-AVG=029 NT SWF=00:000 XRAY-MAX= C1.6 @ 0013UT XRAY-MIN= A7.6 @ 1841UT XRAY-AVG= B1.1 NEUTN-MAX= +004% @ 1430UT NEUTN-MIN= -002% @ 2330UT NEUTN-AVG= +0.8% PCA-MAX= +0.2DB @ 1720UT PCA-MIN= -0.4DB @ 0240UT PCA-AVG= +0.0DB BOUTF-MAX=55337NT @ 1221UT BOUTF-MIN=55300NT @ 1802UT BOUTF-AVG=55323NT GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT G7-AVG=+084,+000,+000 GOES6-MAX=P:+164NT@ 2039UT GOES6-MIN=N:-136NT@ 0551UT G6-AVG=+111,+037,-048 FLUXFCST=STD:090,090,090;SESC:090,090,090 BAI/PAI-FCST=020,020,015/025,020,015 KFCST=4554 3332 3335 4332 27DAY-AP=130,019 27DAY-KP=7898 5334 3443 4433 WARNINGS=*AURMIDWCH ALERTS=**SWEEP:II=2@0016-0022UTC(N03E48) !!END-DATA!! NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 13 MAY 94 was 15.2. The Full Kp Indices for 13 MAY 94 are: 3- 3o 2+ 2o 1+ 2o 2+ 3- The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 13 MAY 94 are: 11 16 9 7 5 8 9 14 Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 14 MAY is: 1.6E+08 SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY -------------------- Solar activity was at low levels. Region 7722 (N08E38) produced a C1/1F flare at 14/0013UT with an associated Type II. Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be at low levels for the entire forecast period. The geomagnetic field has been at quiet to active levels for the past 24 hours. Minor to major storm levels were observed at high latitudes during local night time. The energetic electron flux (GT 2 MeV) ramged from very high to normal levels over the past 24 hours. Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is expected to be at unsettled to active levels, with minor to major storm levels being observed during local nighttime due to a favorably positioned coronal hole. Event probabilities 15 may-17 may Class M 05/05/05 Class X 01/01/01 Proton 01/01/01 PCAF Green Geomagnetic activity probabilities 15 may-17 may A. Middle Latitudes Active 25/25/20 Minor Storm 05/20/10 Major-Severe Storm 05/05/05 B. High Latitudes Active 25/25/20 Minor Storm 10/10/10 Major-Severe Storm 05/05/05 HF propagation conditions were normal over all regions. Minor signal degradation is expected over the next 24 hours for the high and polar latitude paths as levels of geomagnetic activity become enhanced due to effects from a well placed coronal hole. COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS ======================================================== REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 14/2400Z MAY ------------------------------------------------------ NMBR LOCATION LO AREA Z LL NN MAG TYPE 7721 S11E16 144 0000 AXX 01 002 ALPHA 7722 N08E38 122 0310 CKO 06 007 BETA 7723 N10E02 158 0030 DSO 04 005 BETA 7725 N06E12 148 0000 AXX 01 002 ALPHA 7726 N09E52 108 0000 AXX 01 001 ALPHA 7719 S07W69 229 PLAGE 7720 S10W40 200 PLAGE 7724 S06W23 183 PLAGE REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 15 MAY TO 17 MAY NMBR LAT LO 7710 S14 041 LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 14 MAY, 1994 -------------------------------------------------- BEGIN MAX END RGN LOC XRAY OP 245MHZ 10CM SWEEP 0006 0013 0017 7722 N03E48 C1.6 1F II POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 14 MAY, 1994 ------------------------------------------------------ BEGIN MAX END LOCATION TYPE SIZE DUR II IV 14/ 0016 0022 N03E48 RSP C1.6 11 2 INFERRED CORONAL HOLES. LOCATIONS VALID AT 14/2400Z --------------------------------------------------- ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS EAST SOUTH WEST NORTH CAR TYPE POL AREA OBSN 81 N59E31 S30E13 S03W51 N59E31 170 ISO POS 039 10830A SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn 2695 MHz 8800 MHz 15.4 GHz ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------- --------- --------- 13 May: 0454 0521 0541 B4.4 1203 1217 1226 B5.0 SF 7719 S07W50 2143 2148 2205 B2.4 SF 7722 N04E50 REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ C M X S 1 2 3 4 Total (%) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- ------ Region 7719: 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 001 (33.3) Region 7722: 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 001 (33.3) Uncorrellated: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 001 (33.3) Total Events: 003 optical and x-ray. EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn Sweeps/Optical Observations ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------------------------- 13 May: 0454 0521 0541 B4.4 III 2143 2148 2205 B2.4 SF 7722 N04E50 Continuum NOTES: All times are in Universal Time (UT). Characters preceding begin, max, and end times are defined as: B = Before, U = Uncertain, A = After. All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the x-rays. Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times. Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include: II = Type II Sweep Frequency Event III = Type III Sweep IV = Type IV Sweep V = Type V Sweep Continuum = Continuum Radio Event Loop = Loop Prominence System, Spray = Limb Spray, Surge = Bright Limb Surge, EPL = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb. ** End of Daily Report ** ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 1994 12:53:17 -0400 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet3.scri.fsu.edu!freenet3.scri.fsu.edu!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu Subject: personal autopatch calls To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Brad Ward (Brad.Ward@f2711.n206.z1.fidonet.org) wrote: : > >I read recently that the FCC ruled that it is now permissable to make : > personal : > >calls via autopatch to conduct personal tasks such as making a doctors : or : > >dentists appointment. Can anyone out there answer the following: : > : > It's nice to have, but I wonder why anyone would use the autopatch : > to make doctors or dentists appointments. : > : > ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway. : ht> Your advice SUCKS. What in the world is the autopatch for? WRONG. : : Huh? : : ht> Whatever YOU answered, its WRONG. Thats because whatever I DECIDE to : ht> use it for I CAN use it for (within the law). Why should the law limit : : I never said you can't use the patch for whatever you want to : use the patch for. I merely asked why anyone would WANT to use : the patch to make personal appointments. : ht> it to, essentially, anything but running a business on ham radio, and : ht> then an idiot like you come along and LIMIT IT FURTHER, to WHATEVER : ht> YOU FEEL is 'inappropriate'???????? : Did I say I wanted to limit what you can do? Quite the contrary, : I am all for expanding the uses of the autopatch. : ht> We dont need bully channel-cops like you around. Go beat your kids : ht> into submission again and get the hell off this newsgroup. We already : : I'm not a channel-cop. In fact I'm not even close to being one. As : for beating my kids.. I'm 17. I don't have any kids. : ht> have part 97 and its QUITE CLEAR on what it allows and doesnt allow, : ht> and the intent of the latest change was CLEARLY to ALLOW amateurs to : ht> do things like order pizzas and make dentist appointments on the patch. : : I never said it didn't. And like I said earlier, I'm happy those : changes were made. : ht> The economics of patches in areas where each call costs money dictates : ht> the use of the patch only when necessary... in areas where all local : ht> calls are free, IT DOESNT. So, USE THE PATCH WHENEVER YOU FEEL LIKE : ht> IT, HAMS.. Just stay within the LAW, not the holier-than-thou ideals of : ht> no-brain OLD FARTS like THIS GUY!!!! : Old fart? Remember now.. I'm 17. (There will be a quiz later). : 'Nuff said... : ... "Could you continue your petty bickering? I find it most intriguing." This is to the person Mr. Ward was responding to: It is people like you that make me proud to be a ham ... NOT!!! -- Steven J. King KC6WCH/4 EL89tq SFCC: Stevenson.J.King@santafe.cc.fl.us Free-Net: SJKing@freenet.fsu.edu Packet: KC6WCH @ K4DPZ.#GNVFL.FL.USA.NA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 May 94 12:57:00 -0500 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!hookup!news2.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!wyvern!exchange!john.tant@network.ucsd.edu Subject: SACRED FREQUENCIES To: info-hams@ucsd.edu As per Derek Willis: >rogjd@netcom.com (Roger Buffington) says: >>Erich Franz Stocker (stocker@spsosun.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote: >>The most absurd statement I have heard is that a "dxer" has the >>"right" to complain because someone may use the frequency >>that nothing has been heard on for 5min or more. That >>certainly isn't real friendly band sharing. >You are exactly right. I couldn't agree with you more. > I disagree, within limits. There are standard DX frequencies > in the phone bands that are used by DXpeditions and individual > DX operators, such as 3795, 14195, 21295, 28495. These are > recognized worldwide as DX gathering places. If you know this, > and insist on starting a ragchew on 14195, I think it would be > unnecessarily provocative. > DX newsletters will often say "Expedition such-and-such will > operate on the standard DX frequencies", and they are small > enough in number and well-enough known by most hams that it > is courteous to avoid those for casual operating when possible. DX newsletters are read by DX'ers. As I'm not one, I don't read them. As I'm on hf only occasionally (usually schedules with friends), I do not know everyone's special frequencies - in spite of the fact I was originally licensed back in 1988. So.... a little courtesy, ON BOTH SIDES, will go a long way. Hey, DX'ers! Don't just assume that the guy who shows up on freq. is a discourteous lid trying to assert his right to be anywhere he wants. You may find, if you're nice, that he is an advanced or extra who spends most of his time on satellites or being the trustee of a repeater for the folks in his area. You might find that, if asked and educated, he would be happy to move 5-10 KC to accomodate a reasonable request, reasonably made. "Hey you jerk, get the f*** off the (insert your favorite special interest here) calling frequency" is most certainly _not_ a reasonable request, made in a reasonable manner. When folks come up on the WA3NAN shuttle retrans freq, a polite informative approach works for me >95% of the time. Usually, they don't know about it. Think about how many times you look on the packet board and see: ALL @WW SHUTTLE FREQ WANTED Those freqs are much more often published than most others. Anyway, 'nuff said. 73 to all de John, N4XAN --- * WaveRdr 1.0 [NR] * UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COP ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 23:14:26 MDT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: WARNING: Potential Satellite Anomaly Warning Ended To: info-hams@ucsd.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ POTENTIAL SATELLITE ANOMALY WARNING ENDED: 04:00 UT, 15 MAY /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ATTENTION: Energetic electrons at greater than 2 MeV are now falling back toward normal background levels. This long-duration event should recur again later this month near 30 or 31 May or very early in June. ** End of Warning ** ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #529 ******************************